Why can't we speak English?

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Astana Kazakistan.
True, Turkish people always thinks "I can talk english with turkish logic" but this is wrong.

All things aside our students are pretty reluctant to learn English after all they just think English is grade lesson that can improve overall grades and this type of thinking only makes memorizing.

Generally in Turkey English lessons are only time wasting and politicians don't try change this useless education system.
 

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What does it have to do with what I said? Of course they're the same. English is the language, American can be an accent but British, is not. It's the actual English.
It's not an accent, British and American are versions of English. Like Mexico and Castile Spanish. Accent is a talking thing, American English is not an accent, but a dialect-like. All the world speaks AmE, and maybe in 50 years no one will have been learning BrE. So there's no actual one. Grammar is based on the British because Brits love their rules.
So, US and British English have slight differences.
Some or so many -depends on you- words, some pronunciations, 2 or 3 grammar rules, vibes.
 

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It's not an accent, British and American are versions of English. Like Mexico and Castile Spanish. Accent is a talking thing, American English is not an accent, but a dialect-like. All the world speaks AmE, and maybe in 50 years no one will have been learning BrE. So there's no actual one. Grammar is based on the British because Brits love their rules.

Some or so many -depends on you- words, some pronunciations, 2 or 3 grammar rules, vibes.

I strongly disagree. Grammar is based on "British" because it their language. USA is just borrowing it. In case you don't know, the changes in a language starts with speaking. So they've changed it, but it started as an accent difference. British is not a version of English, in case, it's the actual language. Canadian, Nigerian, American, Indian, Australian etc can be the versions of that spesific languages. That's why it's called English, because it's the language of English people, nıt American.
I strongly disagree. Grammar is based on "British" because it their language. USA is just borrowing it. In case you don't know, the changes in a language starts with speaking. So they've changed it, but it started as an accent difference. British is not a version of English, in case, it's the actual language. Canadian, Nigerian, American, Indian, Australian etc can be the versions of that spesific languages. That's why it's called English, because it's the language of English people, nıt American.
Sorry about the typos, I was writing this on my phone, so I couldn't realize then.
 
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I strongly disagree. Grammar is based on "British" because it their language. USA is just borrowing it. In case you don't know, the changes in a language starts with speaking. So they've changed it, but it started as an accent difference. British is not a version of English, in case, it's the actual language. Canadian, Nigerian, American, Indian, Australian etc can be the versions of that spesific languages. That's why it's called English, because it's the language of English people, nıt American.
Got your point but I disagree too. American English is another language, derived from British English. You can say it's a dialect but maybe you know there's no official separation. If AmE is a dialect of English, then why Serbian or Croatian or Bosnian are languages and not dialects? I say all of them are languages, we can't separate them, but most linguist says everyone speak a dialect of a language.

So for me, AmE and BrE are languages; for most linguists, AmE and BrE are dialects of Anglo-Frisian or sth. like that. All in all, they're in the same group.

And Bulgarians speak Bulgarians but first Bulgarians were Bulgar and there were Turks.
Macedonians speak Macedonian but first Macedonians were Greek.

So "It's called English because it's speaked by English people" doesn't make sense.

And also American, Indian, British, Australian Englishes are different from Caribbean, African, Asian etc. It's called standard and non-standard dialects.
 

cortex47

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Got your point but I disagree too. American English is another language, derived from British English. You can say it's a dialect but maybe you know there's no official separation. If AmE is a dialect of English, then why Serbian or Croatian or Bosnian are languages and not dialects? I say all of them are languages, we can't separate them, but most linguist says everyone speak a dialect of a language.

So for me, AmE and BrE are languages; for most linguists, AmE and BrE are dialects of Anglo-Frisian or sth. like that. All in all, they're in the same group.

And Bulgarians speak Bulgarians but first Bulgarians were Bulgar and there were Turks.
Macedonians speak Macedonian but first Macedonians were Greek.

So "It's called English because it's speaked by English people" doesn't make sense.

And also American, Indian, British, Australian Englishes are different from Caribbean, African, Asian etc. It's called standard and non-standard dialects.

I didn't say "It's called English because it's spoken by English people", I said, "It's called English because it's the language of people from England." The difference between a language and a dialect is sociopolitical. Basically, countries decide that. English in the USA is a dialect because obviously, they think that it doesn't worth calling a language. Let me give you an example, Moldovan is a one-on-one copy of Romanian. Even the accent is pretty close. But they called it their official language. But the USA doesn't have any official languages in the constitution.
So overall, even on the paper, AmE is a dialect and it's still English. It actually doesn't matter what you think, unless the American government says otherwise, AmE is a dialect.
 

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I didn't say "It's called English because it's spoken by English people", I said, "It's called English because it's the language of people from England." The difference between a language and a dialect is sociopolitical. Basically, countries decide that. English in the USA is a dialect because obviously, they think that it doesn't worth calling a language. Let me give you an example, Moldovan is a one-on-one copy of Romanian. Even the accent is pretty close. But they called it their official language. But the USA doesn't have any official languages in the constitution.
So overall, even on the paper, AmE is a dialect and it's still English. It actually doesn't matter what you think, unless the American government says otherwise, AmE is a dialect.
You already explained it:) When it comes to separate a language from a dialect, there's no linguistic thing, it's all political. If USA government said Americanian was their official language, then it'd be language, not a dialect. Like Moldovan, there're Serbian, Bosnian, Croatian and Montenegrin. If you look at the languages, they're all same, they're all dialects of one Slavic language, but they're called language, because there're some social and political situations.

After all, mostly people will say it's a dialect. Okay, I've respect that thought but it's not so easy, I must say.
 

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