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<cihancan> doas maybe simple and have lesser vulnerabilities but
<xiaomiao> sudo also has more features than doas
<cihancan> i said him anyways sudo still is a small app by todays standards if its slower than you doing a mistake configuring it
<cihancan> unbelievable youngsters these days
<xiaomiao> if you notice sudo compared to e.g. shell startup ...
<xiaomiao> I hope he uses something fast like dash or mksh ...
<zChris> What kind of computer is he using when performance of sudo becomes an issue?
<cihancan> I think its an 8 core pc
<cihancan> its dumb isnt it?
<lts> Did he have numbers to support his claim?
<cihancan> i didnt ask for numbers
<cihancan> i dont even wonder
<tdr> sound more like they were trying to regurgitate a point read somewhere on a "tech news fanboy site" and didn't remember the actual point
<alicela1n> “sudo is bloat” I don’t understand that argument
<tdr> sudo can be badly configured, but so can any other tool
<alicela1n> tdr: or they’ve watched too many Luke Smith/Mental Outlaw/DistroTube videos
<cihancan> yeah should be a configuration problem
<tdr> you could recode "ls" to make a 10 second pause before diplaying a 2 decond lag between lines
<alicela1n> “sudo has vulnerabilities” so does anything that’s used by more than 5 people
<tdr> or add a 100 second sleep statement inside your initrams then write up an article saying using initramfs is slow
<cihancan> haha
<alicela1n> sudo is instant for me
<cihancan> yeah same
<xiaomiao> <500msec, so 'instant'
<tdr> you take those people and you kick them down the stairs, after making sure no stairwell door below the 30th floor can be opened from the inside + adding cell signal jammers
<xiaomiao> (most likely <100msec but with other things like shell startup in the path it'd take some profiling to measure)
<cihancan> if they can feel the 250ms difference of sudo and doas
<tdr> ^^ then they are lying
<tdr> just setuid every executable and never waste all that time with sudo
<alicela1n> just run everything as root
<xiaomiao> just make your user UID0
<alicela1n> chmod -r 777 /*
<cihancan> lol
<xiaomiao> running as root is bad, so
<tdr> xiaomiao, even better, make EVERY user's UID be 0
<xiaomiao> tdr: ooh.
<xiaomiao> tdr: iirc, you can remove LSM completely from kernel
<xiaomiao> then there is no permission
<tdr> you'd also never have to work about what UID was executing anything
<alicela1n> just run DOS
<tdr> whose playing zork? ROOT is
<alicela1n> one user, no permissions
<tdr> also cross mount your entire LAN's local disks to all other systems too, to avoid the bloat of having to use network paths
<tdr> hrmmm, bridge their process tables too so you can always get a real good view of whats going on, from anywhere